Powerscaling Roblox Asyms

 

Hi there. Welcome to a rather experimental blog. In this one, unlike my other blogs, I won’t look at one character to see how strong they are (and in the case of blogs featuring two and more characters, see who wins), instead, I will look at a bunch of stuff regarding the scaling of/something being used for a certain topic and explain on if I agree or disagree with it. There’s also a section where I look at some MUs related to the topic and give my thoughts on them. As for what the topic for this blog is? It’s Roblox asyms. Yes, it’s a strange choice for the first blog of a format like this, but I have been interested in the scaling side of it, and wanted to talk about it in the form of a blog.

Anyways, as for the media that going to be included in this blog? They’re:

  • Pillar Chase 2 (NOTE: the Recode roster is specifically being used, though scaling for Precode will still be used)
  • Forsaken
  • Outcome Memories
  • Sonic.EXE: The Disasters
As for what other stuff is being used:
  • The Spooky VS Ao Oni Blog made by ExtinctionEventsBlogs
  • The Fleetway Sonic VS Nemesis Blog also made by ExtinctionEventsBlogs
  • The MY5TCrimson X VS Pennywise Blog made by DBE Blogs
  • The C00lkidd VS WYST Blog made by Epic Blogs of History I Guess
  • The Uncle Samsonite VS Fresh Sans Blog made by Kars Fighting Ring
  • The Mewtwo VS Shadow Blog made by ThatguywhoquitsVSblogs
  • Alts Battle Wiki
  • OC/FC Battle Wiki
Now that the introduction is done, let’s do it… BUT-

SCALING

Obviously it’s probably for the best that I show where I scale the stuff that’s being covered here, so I will do exactly that.

PILLAR CHASE 2

FORSAKEN

OUTCOME MEMORIES

SONIC.EXE: THE DISASTERS

“Q&A” (A.K.A answering stuff nobody asked)

PILLAR CHASE 2

ARE BLADE'S STATEMENTS RELIABLE 


So Blade has made two powerscaling statements, and while I haven't actually seen any actual powerscalers use them, I've seen a lot of PC2 fans who are not into the powerscaling use them in powerscaling discussions, and I'm not sure why they use it since they're unreliable, if you want the reasoning, just... scroll down a bit (I'm just doing this cuz I want to talk about how bad these statements are).

UNCLE SAMSONITE STATEMENT

So one of these statements is Blade saying that Uncle Samsonite is the strongest monster in Pillar Chase 2. Now the thing is that Blade doesn't own Uncle Samsonite, and a good chuck of the monsters aren't owned by him either... I think you can see the problem here. Using unofficial statements for powerscaling a character shouldn't be a method used AT ALL, as the statement is made by someone who doesn't own, didn't create, or isn't involved in the character the statement is about. If we unironically use this logic, Sonic enjoys killing people because I said so. And before anyone says it, no, the owner of Uncle Samsonite saying the moveset's accurate doesn't make it valid, as like mentioned right before, he said the MOVESET was accurate. And to top all of this, when we actually look at the other characters' feats in the roster, Uncle Samsonite is definitely not the strongest.

PCX VS GOKU STATEMENT

The second of these statements is Blade saying PCX beats Goku. Same as before, Blade doesn't own Goku so this makes the statement an unofficial one, which as explained before, shouldn't be used at all. And logically, when looking at what both are capable of, Goku EASILY destroys PCX.

SHOULD PC2 GET ULTRA M?


You see, PC2 was going to have an update based on Super Mario, with Ultra M being a NPC in it. The trailers expanded the lore of PC2's world a bit and made it clear that Ultra M has control over it. So, with all that said, you think PC2 would get him, right? Well, you see, due to recent changes, we don’t know if the update is coming. PC2's team doesn't want the game to be copyright striked, so they scrapped the characters that were similar to their inspirations or characters that they didn't have the rights to, and the only way these characters could come back is for the former, get the rights to the inspirations of the character or get the owner of the character that got inspired to make a design that makes them fully original (which happened with MX), and for the latter, get the rights to them. The last time we heard of the Ultra M update was before these recent changes, and not only would Ultra M have to receive the treatments we mentioned before to not be scrapped, but the rest of the update as well (which has a lot of content), and it's very unlikely that this will happen, which means the Ultra M update most likely won't happen and by extension makes PC2 having Ultra M and vice versa REALLY iffy.

IS UNIVERSAL WYST VALID?


Yes and no. Basically in WYST's lore, he created a universe. Obviously this makes him Universal, HOWEVER, he would later on lose his memories, and while he still has the powers that allowed him to preform the Universal feat, he doesn't know how to use them. It honestly just depends on whether or not WYST is in a fight where the rules state that the combatants are at their peak, as if he is in one, he should get Universal scaling, but if not, he shouldn’t get Universal scaling.

IS UNIVERSAL AO ONI VALID?


Yes. In the novels, Ao Oni destroyed the "game world" on Takuro’s computer, which is actually an actual universe, and it's pretty consistent with it too. Pretty simple.

FORSAKEN

IS LARGE PLANET C00LKIDD VALID?


So in the intro of one of C00lkidd's milestones, the sun and moon move around, and in the C00lkidd VS WYST blog (which BTW no shade to that blog, it’s just that a few of the arguments in it weren’t really good, hence why they’re being addressed), this was put in Solar System as a feat for C00lkidd, though Alt Battle Wiki placed it in Large Planetary. Now, no, C00lkidd isn't Solar System and there are problems with this. First of all, there is no proof that C00lkidd is physically doing this, when the sun and moon move around, we don't see C00lkidd moving them, in-fact, we see him standing close to the screen doing a pose. You could argue it was done with the C00lGUI before the intro happens, hence why the moon is red and turns into an image of C00lkidd. However, again, we don't have proof for this, nor do we know what would C00lkidd have inputted in the C00lGUI to do this (the calculation that put this “feat” at Large Planetary says it’s “clearly transmutation” but there’s nothing proving it). It's simply WAY too vague to use as a feat for C00lkidd.

IS MULTIVERSAL SPECTRE VALID?


So another thing in the C00lkidd VS WYST blog that it was Multi Spectre. The evidence was that since the Spectre had an account, he should scale to the players, who see the cosmology of Forsaken (which the blog thinks is Multi due to them thinking the cosmology has 40 Billion games/timelines) as fiction. Now, there are many problems with this. First of all, the evidence for the cosmology being Multi or even having the same amount as games/timelines as the actual Roblox does (A.K.A 40 billion) is pretty bad. A good chuck of it relies on a non-canon ARG, and it has no proof that the amount of games in the cosmology is as much as the actual amount of games Roblox has, nor is there proof that there is even an actual multiverse, the only actual potential evidence is a statement from a team member regarding Hacklord but Hacklord isn’t even canon, so any stuff about him shouldn’t be used, and even if we did use that stuff, all the statement does is confirm that there is more than one timeline in Forsaken, but that doesn’t confirm the actual size of the multiverse. Second of all, even ignoring the first point, just because Spectre has an account doesn’t mean he scales to the players since they also have accounts. These arguments are simply not good.

IS DUSEKKAR AS STRONG AS/STRONGER THAN THE SPECTRE?


So for some reason I’ve seen some people think this but they think Dusekkar is as strong as, if not stronger than the Spectre. Now, where’s the proof for this? … Yeah so I can’t find any. The closet I could find is the Forsaken Fandom Wiki stating that he’s the strongest Survivor in Forsaken, and the official Forsaken Wiki stating that he was Forsaken in his sleep, but both have no citations (though you could argue the latter doesn’t need one since it’s official, but I mean come on) and for the latter, that’s in the “former” section of his lore, so it’s not canon. It is stated that Dusekkar’s magic got limited in the Forsaken realm, but that doesn’t add anything to the two “evidence” I mentioned, and even then said “evidences” aren’t actual proof that Dusekkar is as strong as/stronger than the Spectre.

OUTCOME MEMORIES

IS UNIVERSAL+ FLEETWAY SUPER SONIC VALID?


DO THE EXECUTIONERS/SURVIVORS SCALE TO THE STUFF THE OFFICIAL SONIC CHARACTERS HAVE DONE?


SONIC.EXE: THE DISASTERS

NOTE: THIS SECTION HAS A LACK OF LINKS FOR SOME OF THE INFORMATION USED AS SAID INFORMATION IS FROM THE TD WIKI, AND WHILE THE WIKI HAS CITATIONS FOR THE INFORMATION USED, THEY LEAD INTO NOWHERE AS THEY’RE SUPPOSED TO LEAD INTO MESSAGES FROM A DISCORD SERVER, BUT THAT SERVER HAS SINCE THEN GOT PURGED

IS KOLOSSOS IN ARCHIE SONIC'S BODY?


No LOL. For some reason I’ve repeatedly seen this claim that Kolossos is strong because he’s in Archie Sonic’s body, when he’s not. The only reason why people believe so is because Sally is in the game and is in her post-genesis wave design, and because Nicole exists in the universe, that’s it. Not only is this just not enough evidence to prove Sonic.EXE: The Disasters is in Archie Sonic universe, but Outlaik has said that Sonic.EXE: Disasters takes place in the game universe, just with some stuff from Archie Sonic (though TBH I don’t believe it takes place in the game universe either and if you want to know why… again, just scroll down a bit). It also doesn’t help that other characters from the Archie Sonic universe never appear nor get mentioned at all in Sonic.EXE: The Disasters, nor are events from it referenced as well.

DOES SONIC.EXE: THE DISASTERS ACTUALLY TAKE IN THE MAIN SONIC UNIVERSE


No not really. While Outlaik has stated that to be the case, it simply brings too many inconsistencies. Ignoring the fact we don’t know when TD takes place in the timeline, for example, multiple game Sonic characters just… never get mentioned. No like aside from the “majority of characters are dead in Mobius” (which doesn’t even tell us which character is actually dead) statement, characters like the IDW characters, the Babylon Rogues, G.U.N, Big, etc, are never mentioned at all. The Master Emerald is just absent, and the Chaos Emeralds are only mentioned once, which is really weird since they’d be INCREDIBLY handy (like the survivor cast with it can stop time to do whatever with the killers or just use it as a way to get far away from them easily (and BTW Shadow can do that without a Chaos Emerald), travel back in time to before Sonic died to prevent his death (which can either stop the demon from possessing him, or gives the survivor someone who can help a LOT against Tails Doll), or just seal the demon possessing Sonic/Tails Doll). Also, where’s Eggman’s army? We only see Metal Sonic (who also for some never transforms into Neo or Metal Overlord when he’s very capable of doing so and that would be VERY helpful) and the some of the badniks, no one else, which, like with the Master Emerald and the Chaos Emeralds, is incredibly weird since you’d think it would be the PERFECT time for Eggman to have his entire army as the world is in danger because of his own foe, but that’s not the case, Sage (+ the titans she “controls” (she doesn’t actually control them but can set their rage on a specific person) is not here, nor are the mass-produced Death Egg robots, Shadow Androids, and most of Eggman’s badniks, and Eggman never pilots any of his mechs. There’s also the Hard-Boiled Heavies and the Phantom Ruby copies but I’m not sure if he still has them.

And when going into the powerscaling side of inconsistencies that this idea brings… how the hell are the killers THIS strong? Like Tails Doll can somehow keep up with the survivor cast when canonically this guy is barely, if at all, used in the modern era by Eggman and never got upgraded by him to keep up with the modern cast. And how is Sonic.EXE and Kolossos stronger than EVERYONE? They’re possessing Sonic’s body, who base Shadow and Metal Sonic are equals to, but in Sonic.EXE: The Disasters, they are somehow weaker than the killers.

Simply put, there’s too many inconsistencies for Sonic.EXE: The Disaster to realistically actually be in the  game universe.

MATCHUP REVIEWS

So yeah, that’s everything for those sections. Now that we’re done with some scaling discussion, let’s talk about the MUs for the topic.

AO ONI VS SPOOKY


Pretty good IMO and this is probably Ao Oni’s best MU. The connections are solid, and the fight potential is really good thanks to their really large arsenal and army. The only negative is that it’s sorta not super debatable as Spooky doesn’t resist a lot of Ao Oni’s hax, and Ao Oni takes stats, but I wouldn’t say Spooky has nothing when it comes to advantages (I.E she has ways to incapacitate Ao Oni, and has a bigger army).

AO ONI VS TINKY WINKY


TBH, not a big fan of this MU. While it is thematically good, the fight potential and debate aren’t. Tinky Winky can’t really play off a lot of Ao Oni’s stuff, and Ao Oni stomps Tinky Winky (stronger, faster, outhaxes, and if you want to give Tinky Winky the other infecteds for some reason, than it wouldn’t really matter since Ao Oni’s army would outnumber them and is better) to the point he doesn’t really have any advantages.

WYST VS C00LKIDD


TBH this MU is pretty mid. The connections are really bad (like deadass it starts and ends with “smiling asym killers”). Fight potential is pretty good though but it isn’t really debatable (WYST outhaxes C00lkidd and would be stronger if you give him his Universal feat, meaning WYST should win sorta easily, and even if you don’t give WYST his Universal feat, WYST is still the more likely to win since his durability is as high as what C00lkidd should be capable of/potentially scale to), BUT I wouldn’t call it a stomp.

JOHN DOE VS KOLOSSOS


It’s fine to decent. The connections are pretty good IMO (it’s not a lot but considering how these two barely have anything when it comes to their story, I think that fact’s fine), and while John Doe horrifically stomps (Small Building and Subsonic - Hypersonic VS Wall and Superhuman), the fight potential could be cool. 

X VS RED


This is decent to even good IMO. Connections are mid but get the job done, the fight potential is really good (their abilities mesh REALLY well), and it’s semi-debatable as well (X is as strong as RED, but the latter outhaxes and is faster, but if you believe that X physically sent a piece of him to Earth, than he should actually be faster, but it’s debatable on if the piece being sent to Earth was done physically or not).

LORD X VS BLACK HAT


Not a fan of this one. While the fight potential is good, everything else for this MU isn’t. The connections are mid at best, with the only actual good ones having unofficial content not made by JoeDoughBoi (Lord X’s creator) be used… for some reason. Also, the debate’s bad as it’s a stomps in Black Hat’s favor (stronger, faster, and outhaxes Lord X).

REWRITE VS M


This is one of, if not, Rewrite’s most popular MU, and while I used to like it, nowadays I don’t really get the hype for it. It’s not bad or anything but it’s honestly mid. Connections are mid at best as they ignore very important stuff for both (I.E Rewrite being a scam program that caused many people die, or M being a game developer who got betrayed by Daddy Dearest and was sealed inside a copy of Mario’s games), and M easily wins (and in the same way as Black Hat, being that he’s stronger, faster and outhaxes Rewrite). Though funnily enough, like Lord X VS Black Hat, the only thing it has going for it is the fight potential.

FINAL TALLY

And that’s everything I wanted to cover…

“Q&A” (EXTRA STUFF EDITION)

Basically just me answering questions that I made up for this blog that didn’t really fit the other sections (A.K.A like two questions).

WHO’D WIN IN A FIGHT BETWEEN ALL OF THESE ASYMS?


Probably Pillar Chase 2. While Outcome Memories is the one with the fastest feats, it’s tied with Pillar Chase 2 in terms of strength, and the latter has Ao Oni, an absolute hax demon who also resists a lot of stuff, with said hax and resistances greatly affecting the others, who also don’t have much resistances to Ao Oni’s stuff with the exception of Fleetway Super Sonic (who ALSO is a hax demon with a lot of resistances) and even then I’d say Ao Oni still wins via being tied in strength and holding the hax and resistances advantage (also Ao Oni is really, REALLY hard to kill).

WHICH ASYM DID YOU WANT TO COVER BUT DECIDED TO NOT TO? 


PWNed by 14:00 and Bite by Night were both planned for this blog, but I decided to scrap them as they barely had anything to cover at all (at least with Sonic.EXE: The Disasters, I had the whole Kolossos and Archie Sonic + the Sonic.EXE: The Disasters and the game universe stuff. PWNed by 14:00 and Bite by Night? Nothing).

FINAL TALLY (THE REAL ONE)

And that’s everything I wanted to cover. Obviously there’s things that I could have talked about (I.E more MUs related to Roblox asyms, or addressing things for characters from the PC2 Precode roster) but I think this will do. I will probably do this type of format again for a blog in the future, and who knows, a part 2 to this topic might happen. The reason why this took so long to make was because I had a bunch of real life stuff to deal with, but since it’s summer break now, I decided to lock in and finish this blog. Anyways, for the-

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